From oliver at typo3.org Wed Jul 16 10:35:45 2008 From: oliver at typo3.org (Oliver Hader) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:35:45 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-hci] Visual feedback on clicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Benjamin Mack schrieb: > I noticed the slowness as well. I think one factor is templating of the > Backend. I know that I introduced this, but the problem is that every > time you click on a page in the BE, the template needs to be loaded, > markers replaced because there is no BE cache. One more reason for my > why I am rooting for Smarty in the BE, as it has a template cache built > in. Would be really helpful. Michiel Roos wrote a nice article concerning this slowness, maybe someone could give it a try: http://typofree.org/articles/optimizing-typo3-backend-responsiveness/ > But seems like nobody would take the initiative to try out smarty (e.g. > integrating the smarty extension as a sysext) for the BE and then have > real speed tests and comparisons :) Wouldn't that be awesome? Since Tim Lochm?ller announced that he's working on a study project about TYPO3 performance in general, maybe I could ask him to do some profiling and testing with Smarty in the back-end as well. olly -- Oliver Hader TYPO3 4.3 Release Manager From ernst at cron-it.de Wed Jul 16 11:46:36 2008 From: ernst at cron-it.de (Ernesto Baschny [cron IT]) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:46:36 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-hci] Visual feedback on clicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oliver Hader wrote: on 16.07.2008 10:35: > Benjamin Mack schrieb: >> I noticed the slowness as well. I think one factor is templating of >> the Backend. I know that I introduced this, but the problem is that >> every time you click on a page in the BE, the template needs to be >> loaded, markers replaced because there is no BE cache. One more reason >> for my why I am rooting for Smarty in the BE, as it has a template >> cache built in. Would be really helpful. > > Michiel Roos wrote a nice article concerning this slowness, maybe > someone could give it a try: > http://typofree.org/articles/optimizing-typo3-backend-responsiveness/ Cool article, thanks a lot for the link. And nice tool, the YSlow FF extension, I didn't know it before. >> But seems like nobody would take the initiative to try out smarty >> (e.g. integrating the smarty extension as a sysext) for the BE and >> then have real speed tests and comparisons :) Wouldn't that be awesome? > Since Tim Lochm?ller announced that he's working on a study project > about TYPO3 performance in general, maybe I could ask him to do some > profiling and testing with Smarty in the back-end as well. Even with all "server" and "caching" tweaking the UI is still very slow in the backend. For example if I reload (or login) to TYPO3, the backend modules to the left build up very slowly, whereas it was usually "instantly" there in previous versions. Backend loads in 5-6s now, where it used to load in 1-2s. I hope we can see some news on that area before 4.3. :) Cheers, Ernesto From michiel at netcreators.com Wed Jul 23 22:33:11 2008 From: michiel at netcreators.com (Michiel Roos [netcreators]) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:11 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-hci] Visual feedback on clicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ernesto Baschny [cron IT] schreef: > Even with all "server" and "caching" tweaking the UI is still very slow > in the backend. For example if I reload (or login) to TYPO3, the backend > modules to the left build up very slowly, whereas it was usually > "instantly" there in previous versions. Backend loads in 5-6s now, where > it used to load in 1-2s. I hope we can see some news on that area before > 4.3. :) Hi Ernesto, Word on the street is that a JS merger is in the works in a test branch . . . . Check it out here: http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/typo3v4-listmodule Still loads too much CSS though. That should be improved too. The slow loading of the left module thingie sounds strange to me. What if you open that frame in a new tab, then clear the browser cache and see what tools like - Firebug -> Net - Yslow Have to say about the components that get loaded on that frame and what components have the worst response time. Maybe it's not TYPO3 core but some fancy module working its slow magick? Regards, Michiel -- Netcreators BV :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ From ingo at typo3.org Thu Jul 24 09:20:07 2008 From: ingo at typo3.org (Ingo Renner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:20:07 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-hci] Visual feedback on clicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michiel Roos [netcreators] wrote: > What if you open that frame in a new tab, then clear the browser cache > and see what tools like > - Firebug -> Net > - Yslow problem is that we do not have frames anymore - which in fact is a good thing =) Ingo -- Ingo Renner TYPO3 Core Developer, Release Manager TYPO3 4.2 From ernst at cron-it.de Mon Jul 28 09:30:16 2008 From: ernst at cron-it.de (Ernesto Baschny [cron IT]) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:30:16 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-hci] Visual feedback on clicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michiel Roos [netcreators] wrote: on 23.07.2008 22:33: > Ernesto Baschny [cron IT] schreef: >> Even with all "server" and "caching" tweaking the UI is still very slow >> in the backend. For example if I reload (or login) to TYPO3, the backend >> modules to the left build up very slowly, whereas it was usually >> "instantly" there in previous versions. Backend loads in 5-6s now, where >> it used to load in 1-2s. I hope we can see some news on that area before >> 4.3. :) > Hi Ernesto, > > Word on the street is that a JS merger is in the works in a test branch > . . . . > > Check it out here: > http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/typo3v4-listmodule Cool. > Still loads too much CSS though. That should be improved too. > > The slow loading of the left module thingie sounds strange to me. > > What if you open that frame in a new tab, then clear the browser cache > and see what tools like > - Firebug -> Net > - Yslow > > Have to say about the components that get loaded on that frame and what > components have the worst response time. > > Maybe it's not TYPO3 core but some fancy module working its slow magick? Yes, the left module thingy was probably some server problem at that moment. Not reproduceable anymore. So this issue at least is gone. :) Cheers, Ernesto From gaumondpatrick-s-p-a-m at hotmail-sp-a-m.com Mon Jul 28 16:06:43 2008 From: gaumondpatrick-s-p-a-m at hotmail-sp-a-m.com (Patrick Gaumond) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:06:43 -0400 Subject: [TYPO3-hci] Is HCI-Forge dead ? Message-ID: Last activity ... July 3rd http://forge.typo3.org/projects/activity/hci :( Patrick From info at sk-typo3.de Mon Jul 28 16:57:58 2008 From: info at sk-typo3.de (Steffen Kamper) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:57:58 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-hci] Is HCI-Forge dead ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrick Gaumond schrieb: > Last activity ... July 3rd > > http://forge.typo3.org/projects/activity/hci > > :( > > Patrick Hi Patrick, no, HCI isn't dead but maybe some holiday rest. Jens is quite busy, we had some skype conferences in between, and IIRC there were issues after march (still wonder) vg Steffen